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beginner16
07-24-2008, 05:30 PM
Hello


Perhaps a bit about me. I dropped out of high school when I was 16, but now 5 years later I’ve decided to finish it. So I’m studying at home and then go and take exams.

Anyways, I recently started learning English. I know the language reasonably well, meaning I am able to use it correctly ( to a point ), but not on a very conscious level ( is this making any sense? ). Anyways, I haven’t learned any grammar for 5 years now ( I decided to do English exams before those for my native language, since I figured English would be a wee easier), so all this stuff is new and confusing to me. Thus, I’m hoping I will get some help here when I’ll need it?!

And I’m sorry about making three threads at the same time, it won’t happen again!

BTW – could you dumb down your explanations a bit, since I’m not the brightest of the herd?



1)
a) When modal verbs are used, can a sentence using a modal only have forms “MODAL + present infinitive” and “MODAL + perfect infinitive”, but not “MODAL + past tense”? Thus the following is wrong:

“He should told me yesterday.” ?


b) When do we choose to use “MODAL + present infinitive” and when “MODAL + perfect infinitive” when talking about something in the past?




2) Modal verbs can be used to express ideas about the past, present and future. For example, COULD can have the following forms:

“COULD + present infinitive” and “COULD + perfect infinitive”


a) “She could play the piano when she was five.”

Here we use the form “COULD + present infinitive”. But would we say that the above sentence is in simple present tense, even if it talks about the past, or does the sentence use some kind of “special” past tense form, used only when certain modal verbs are used in a sentence ?



b) Similary, MAY/MIGHT, SHOULD all can be used using present infinitive or perfect infinitive. I assume whatever the answer to my above question is, the same holds true for these modal verbs?




3)

a) I assume COULD can also be used to express present ability and not just past ability:

“You could do this.” ( right now)



b) “She could type well as a trainee.”

Couldn’t the above sentence express either past ability or present ability? So how can we know for sure?




4)
a) When WOULD is part of conditional statement, does it still act as modal ( meaning is its function still to help other verbs express their meanings ) or does it act as an “ordinary” auxiliary verb?


b) Which of the following modals can be used instead of WILL with first conditional :

MAY, CAN, WOULD, COULD ?


c) if MAY is used instead of WILL in the first conditional, do we say that it has the following form:

If + present simple + MAY + present simple?



d) Which is a correct definition and why:

Second conditional has the following form:

If + past simple + MODAL + present simple

or

if + past simple + present conditional

or

if + past simple + MODAL + present infinitive



hope you find the time

kind regards

Lucretia
07-26-2008, 03:33 AM
Hi again, beginner16,

It’s wonderful you’ve got such a thirst for knowledge, but it’s a vast amount to tell you about at once.
I will answer only a couple now.

1 a) When modal verbs are used, can a sentence using a modal only have forms “MODAL + present infinitive” and “MODAL + perfect infinitive”, but not “MODAL + past tense”? Thus the following is wrong:

“He should told me yesterday.” ?
Yes, it’s wrong.
He should have told me yesterday (but he didn’t).

Modals can only be followed by infinitives. There are several kinds of infinitives.
a simple infinitive
You can do it now, you could do it yesterday.
a progressive infinitive
They may be waiting for us now.
a perfect infinitive
They must have lost their way.
a perfect progressive infinitive
They may have been waiting for us all this time.

Besides, the simple and perfect infinitive can have their passive forms.
It can/must/should/is to be done now.
The file must/may/might have been lost.

Each modal should be spoken about separately, generalizations are hardly possible.

1b) When do we choose to use “MODAL + present infinitive” and when “MODAL + perfect infinitive” when talking about something in the past?
I could swim when I was five. – I was able to do it (and I did).
I could have helped you last week. – I was able to help you, but I didn’t (because you didn’t ask me etc). The opportunity was lost.

Here are some good grammar sites.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/radio/specials/1535_questionanswer/index.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/radio/specials/1535_questionanswer/index.shtml)

http://www.fortunecity.com/bally/durrus/153/gramdex.html (http://www.fortunecity.com/bally/durrus/153/gramdex.html)

http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_verbals.html#ger-part (http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_verbals.html#ger-part)

Best wishes.

Marius Hancu
07-29-2008, 09:51 AM
“She could type well as a trainee.”

Couldn’t the above sentence express either past ability or present ability? So how can we know for sure?
From context, of course.