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liuchunsheng123456
01-16-2009, 03:42 PM
1) Although I am learning Math, I don't really like it.
2) Although learning Math, I don't really like it.
Could you tell me whether they are right, especially the second one.
Many thanks in advance.
Marius Hancu
01-16-2009, 04:00 PM
The first one is OK:
37 on "Although I'm learning"
http://books.google.com/books?lr=&q=%22Although+I%27m+learning%22&btnG=Search+Books
The 2nd one sounds as a bad reduction of the 1st, and wouldn't recommend it, even though it's understandable.
I'm curious what others will make of it.
"Although" doesn't seem to work well with this "-ing form" of the verb, it prefers nouns (including "learning" as noun) or adjectives after it:
2) Although learning Math seems interesting to some, I don't really like it.
815 on "Although learning"
http://books.google.com/books?lr=&q=%22Although+learning%22&btnG=Search+Books
OddThomas
01-16-2009, 06:06 PM
Liuchunsheng has happened upon the participial phrase, a phrase that acts as an adjective.
A participial phrase can be a modifier at the beginning of a sentence, as in Although learning Math, I don't really like it, or a parenthetical phrase within a sentence.
Participial phrases use present or past participles as verbs without subjects, followed usually by a direct object, and often with adverbs and other clause elements, to modify a noun they are immediately next to.
Here is a past participle example: Determined to be an astronaut, I left for college full of hope and enthusiasm.
Here is a participial phrase in error, called the misplaced modifier, that does not modify the noun it is placed next to: After borrowing my friend's car, it ran out of gas. (Ask: what does the phrase modify? Certainly not it.)
Back to the question at hand, I think that Liuchunsheng's second sentence is acceptable.
Marius Hancu
01-17-2009, 04:02 AM
I tried to find interdictions for the 2nd, couldn't find any, thus it should be OK, as OddThomas mentioned.
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The nonfinite clause may be with or without a subject.
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(iii) -ING PARTICIPLE
without subject: Leaving the room, he tripped over the mat.
with subject: Her aunt having left the room, I asked Ann for some personal help.
Quirk, p. 993
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Subordinators for -ing clauses
Clauses with an -ing particple may be introduced by any of the subordinators:
although, as if, ....
Quirk, p. 1005
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Subordinators and structural types of clauses
Clauses of concession are introduced by although or its more informal variant though. Other subordinators used with concessive clauses are:
if, even if, even though, when, whereas, while, and whilst <BrE>
While not wanting to seem obstinate, I insisted on a definite reply.
Quirk, p. 1097
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The last sentence can be replaced by:
Although not wanting to seem obstinate, I insisted on a definite reply.
which is similar to the original 2nd sentence.
BTW, it should be math, not Math:
http://books.google.com/books?q=%22learning+math%22&lr=&sa=N&start=200
Marius Hancu
01-17-2009, 04:41 AM
However, while the 2nd is correct and equivalent with the first, I don't like the crowded style. As well, it sounds artificial, and others told me the same.
OddThomas
01-17-2009, 07:42 AM
I agree, Marius, about the sentence sounding artificial.
Often we write sentences we wouldn't speak. Perhaps this is one of those sentences a student would put into a letter to an adult about how things are going at school: "Dear Uncle Marius...."
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