I or me

[BlueQ]

Hi!

Please help me for the below 2 questions:

1. The teacher told my friend and _______ to help her carry the books.
(a) I (b) me

2. Father took John and ______ to the museum today.
(a) I (b) me

Which one is the answer for both qtns? And why not the other one?

Thank you!

[Marius Hancu]

First: What are your choices? Why? We don't do homework here.

[Rusty]

Hi!

Please help me for the below 2 questions:

1. The teacher told my friend and _______ to help her carry the books.
(a) I (b) me

2. Father took John and ______ to the museum today.
(a) I (b) me

Which one is the answer for both qtns? And why not the other one?

Thank you!
Think of it this way: Which would you use if there was no other person, just you?

[Eddie88]

To determine which pronoun to use, Rusty's method is easy and effective.

Here is another way.

Pronouns have cases:

nominative (for subject of a clause) = I

Objective (for object of a verb or preposition) =Me

Possessive (when a noun owns another)= My



In your sentences, the pronouns (either me or I) are both objects of verbs. Thus, use the objective case.

[BlueQ]

To determine which pronoun to use, Rusty's method is easy and effective.

Here is another way.

Pronouns have cases:

nominative (for subject of a clause) = I

Objective (for object of a verb or preposition) =Me

Possessive (when a noun owns another)= My



In your sentences, the pronouns (either me or I) are both objects of verbs. Thus, use the objective case.

Thanks Rusty and Eddie!

I thought answers are "me" for both questions initially. But my friend said the first answer should be "I". I was confused. :confused: And don't know how to explain for both answers. Thanks for your help!!

[Marius Hancu]

The pronouns must be:

1. Indirect object (to whom?) or Dative case in old grammars
2. Direct object (whom? for whom, etc?) or Accusative case

both object case, not subject case

[BlueQ]

Hi hi!

1/ She goes to the same school as I.
2/ She goes to the same school as me.

Which is the correct one? The 1st sentence means she goes to the same school as I do. Am I right? :confused:

Please provide explaination. Thanks.

[Marius Hancu]

1/ She goes to the same school as I.
2/ She goes to the same school as me.

The 1st sentence means she goes to the same school as I do. Am I right?

Yes, right.

Both correct, however the 1st is thought a bit too formal these days. I like it very much, but ...

"Me" is correct as "as" is a preposition and the objective case ("me") is used after preps. But what "as" is is a full can of worms:-)

Open these links and have a look at the full pages with great explanations:
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Essentials of English Grammar‎ - Page 98 (http://books.google.com/books?id=cEYwjIo9U3wC&pg=PA98&dq=%22as+I%22+%22as+me%22+usage+grammar)

by Otto Jespersen - Language Arts & Disciplines (http://books.google.com/books?q=+subject:%22Language+Arts+%26+Disciplines% 22) - 1933

You seem to have suffered as much as I. I like her just as well as him, etc.,
... You are not a
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The American Heritage guide to contemporary usage and style‎ - Page 378 (http://books.google.com/books?id=xb6ie6PqYhwC&pg=PA378&dq=%22as+I%22+%22as+me%22+usage+grammar)

by Houghton Mifflin Company - Reference (http://books.google.com/books?q=+subject:%22Reference%22) - 2005 - 512 pages

Whatever the merits of this logic, the as me construction is very common in ...
as proud as I am. personal pronouns after forms of be Traditional grammar ...
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The American Heritage book of English usage‎ - Page 29 (http://books.google.com/books?id=BEHFyMCdwssC&pg=PA29&dq=%22as+I%22+%22as+me%22+usage+grammar&lr=)

by Editors of The American Heritage Dictionaries - Language Arts & Disciplines (http://books.google.com/books?q=+subject:%22Language+Arts+%26+Disciplines% 22&lr=) - 1996 - 290 pages

Traditional grammar requires the nominative form of the pronoun ... and to use
the objective forms of pronouns such as me and them in all positions: No one ...
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English Usage: Studies in the History and Uses of English Words and Phrases‎ - Page 153 (http://books.google.com/books?id=cGBxkfafeHwC&pg=PA153&dq=%22as+I%22+%22as+me%22+usage+grammar&lr=)

by John Lesslie Hall - History (http://books.google.com/books?q=+subject:%22History%22&lr=) - 2009 - 344 pages

"Me." It is especially common in the drama. As me (=as I) ... English Grammar
Past and Present, p. 94. » The Queen's English, 1808, p. 100. .
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The grammar crammer: how to write perfect sentences‎ - Page 62 (http://books.google.com/books?id=QikpFToF0pMC&pg=PA62&dq=%22as+I%22+%22as+me%22+usage+grammar&lr=)

by Judi Kesselman-Turkel, Franklynn Peterson - Language Arts & Disciplines (http://books.google.com/books?q=+subject:%22Language+Arts+%26+Disciplines% 22&lr=) - 2003 - 136 pages

The grammar rule is: After comparisons, use the subjective case of the ... He
likes her as much as I. (as much as I like her) He likes her as much as me. ...
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BTW, I found the above at Google books by searching for:
"as me" "as I" usage grammar
http://books.google.com/books?q=%22as+I%22+%22as+me%22+usage+grammar&btnG=Search+Books

DO THAT YOUSELF in order to find great reference books.

BTW, bookmark these references, they are very useful. Jespersen a bit old, but classic, one of the greatest grammarians of the English language (if not the greatest, wrote a classic in 7 volumes), though a Dane:-)

[Student33]

I think the first one is correct:
1. She goes to the same school as I do.
For sentence #2 I think it should be something like:
- She goes to the same school as mine.

And is as really a preposition Marius? what would you choose Marius after as in the following a sentence like:

There were many strong people there such as (she/her)?:)

[Marius Hancu]

Don't be too smart:

both can be used.

By great writers too.

Read some of those references and you'll see I'm right.

Is Dickens good enough for you? Is Fowles good enough for you? Is John Banville good enough for you? Read a bit and then we talk.

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all the year round‎ - Page 389 (http://books.google.com/books?id=b08JAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA2-PA389&dq=%22such+as+she%22+dickens&lr=)

by charles dickens - 1864

I was received in an institution where saints, such as she, gather together
wretches such as I. I worked very hard.

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A MAGGOT‎ - Page 237 (http://books.google.com/books?id=8dy8tdpl0v8C&q=%22such+as+she%22+john+fowles&dq=%22such+as+she%22+john+fowles&lr=)

by JOHN FOWLES - 1985

Of how Jesus Christ came into this world for such as she and I, to show us a
path through its night.
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The book of evidence‎ - Page 182 (http://books.google.com/books?id=BGwrAAAAYAAJ&q=%22such+as+I%22+john+banville&dq=%22such+as+I%22+john+banville&lr=)

by John Banville - Fiction (http://books.google.com/books?q=+subject:%22Fiction%22&lr=) - 1989 - 219 pages

Even a dog such as I must have his day. I have always seen myself in the witness
box, gazing straight ahead, quite calm, and wearing casual clothes, ...
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[Student33]

Still, as in the last example is not a preposition it introduses an adjective clause so it is equivalent to (that):

- She made the same mistakes as (=that) her sister did. (Modern English: A practical Reference guide) page 279.

And I wasn't being too smart :mad:

[BlueQ]

For sentence #2 I think it should be something like:
- She goes to the same school as mine.



Hi Student33,

I think if you use "mine", then you are refering to the person i.e. she, not the school, which is not the original message of this sentence. Am I right?

[Student33]

No, that wasn't what I meant at all. But I kept examining the sentence and found out that Marius was right! my previous sentence would be correct if it were something like:

-Your school is the same as mine.

Ann's salary is the same as mine.

but:

Ann gets the same salary as me.

or a more formal version:

Ann gets the same salary as I do.= Ann gets the same salary that I get.
She goes to the same school as me or as I do.