Question 8

[toto1115]

Hello everybody, please help

I heard this on telly last night, i wonder

A DART'S NIGHT

dart's is used as an adjective here, however, in my vague memory,
i remember me english teacher once saying that we don't add 'S in a word which is structured as an adjective in a sentense, so

dart's night

Has any one of you have knowledge on this??

And the other question is



Teacher : I would like you to take out the sheet I gave to you last week, I think it is worth taking a look AT.

Should we omit the " AT " at the end of the sentense???

Because the " IT " can refer to the whole action " taking out the sheet "

OR

just refer to the sheet itself,

if anyone of you understand what I mean ><..


Thanks in advance,

Best regards,

TOTO

[danmahaffey]

Hello everybody, please help

I heard this on telly last night, i wonder

A DART'S NIGHT

dart's is used as an adjective here, however, in my vague memory,
i remember me english teacher once saying that we don't add 'S in a word which is structured as an adjective in a sentense, so

dart's night

Has any one of you have knowledge on this??

And the other question is



Teacher : I would like you to take out the sheet I gave to you last week, I think it is worth taking a look AT.

Should we omit the " AT " at the end of the sentense???

Because the " IT " can refer to the whole action " taking out the sheet "

OR

just refer to the sheet itself,

if anyone of you understand what I mean ><..


Thanks in advance,

Best regards,

TOTO

I would like to know the meaning of dart as used in this conversation.

But as to your question about plural adjectives, strict English grammar rules do not allow plural adjectives. But everybody does it.

If someone produced a manual with rules for students, it might be called the students manual or the rules book. Now, we've just made plural adjectives. Many authorities would say this is incorrect. Calling it a student manual or a rule book would be best. The basis for this is that true adjectives, like pretty or red, cannot be made plural; so neither should nouns be made plural when they are used as adjectives.

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"I would like you to take out the sheet I gave to you last week, I think it is worth taking a look AT."

This is the "never-end-a-sentence-with-a-preposition" rule that really has little value in standard English. In formal writing, yes. But the way to avoid placing at at the end of your sentence is to write gobbledygook like this:

I would like you to take out the sheet I gave to you last week, at which I think it is worth taking a look.

These two sentences are better:
I would like you to take out the sheet I gave to you last week. I think it is worth taking a look at it.

But the second sentence is clumsy (yet not incorrect).

The problem sentence, thought technically incorrect, is natural, and doesn't offend. Let's put a semicolon into it though to separate the clauses and check the run-on sentence:

I would like you to take out the sheet I gave to you last week; I think it is worth taking a look at.


This sentence is bad: Where is your car at?

Do you know why?

[toto1115]

First of all, Thanks to Dan for your explanation,

and I am confused with what you just posted,


I do undertstand it is wrong usage to end a sentense with a preposition, and I do undertstand all the run-on sentences you were trying to come across here. However, let's say I am not in favour of using semicolon or using WHICH in this senetnce.

" I would like you to take out the sheet I gave you last week. I think it is worth looking at. "

I think it is worth looking at it >>>>

It would be correct to leave the sentence like this ???

But the thing I want to ask it what the first ' IT ' refers to

does it refer to the sheet itself or does it refer to the whole ' Taking out the sheet ' action

I think if the first ' IT ' refer to the sheet,

then " It is worth looking at " would be apporiate here ( regardless of the wrongness of using preposition at the end of the sentence )

If the ' IT ' refers to the action.

then " It is worth looking at it " should suit way better the without the second ' IT '


I wonder if you could undertsand what I am trying to bring on here, because it might be quite confusing, anyone knows what I mean??



I would like to know the meaning of dart as used in this conversation.

But as to your question about plural adjectives, strict English grammar rules do not allow plural adjectives. But everybody does it.

If someone produced a manual with rules for students, it might be called the students manual or the rules book. Now, we've just made plural adjectives. Many authorities would say this is incorrect. Calling it a student manual or a rule book would be best. The basis for this is that true adjectives, like pretty or red, cannot be made plural; so neither should nouns be made plural when they are used as adjectives.

+ + + + + + + + + +

"I would like you to take out the sheet I gave to you last week, I think it is worth taking a look AT."

This is the "never-end-a-sentence-with-a-preposition" rule that really has little value in standard English. In formal writing, yes. But the way to avoid placing at at the end of your sentence is to write gobbledygook like this:

I would like you to take out the sheet I gave to you last week, at which I think it is worth taking a look.

These two sentences are better:
I would like you to take out the sheet I gave to you last week. I think it is worth taking a look at it.

But the second sentence is clumsy (yet not incorrect).

The problem sentence, thought technically incorrect, is natural, and doesn't offend. Let's put a semicolon into it though to separate the clauses and check the run-on sentence:

I would like you to take out the sheet I gave to you last week; I think it is worth taking a look at.


This sentence is bad: Where is your car at?

Do you know why?

[toto1115]

First of all, Thanks to Dan for your explanation,

and I am confused with what you just posted,


I do undertstand it is wrong usage to end a sentense with a preposition, and I do undertstand all the run-on sentences you were trying to come across here. However, let's say I am not in favour of using semicolon or using WHICH in this senetnce.

" I would like you to take out the sheet I gave you last week. I think it is worth looking at. "

I think it is worth looking at it >>>>

It would be correct to leave the sentence like this ???

But the thing I want to ask it what the first ' IT ' refers to

does it refer to the sheet itself or does it refer to the whole ' Taking out the sheet ' action

I think if the first ' IT ' refer to the sheet,

then " It is worth looking at " would be apporiate here ( regardless of the wrongness of using preposition at the end of the sentence )

If the ' IT ' refers to the action.

then " It is worth looking at it " should suit way better the without the second ' IT '


I wonder if you could undertsand what I am trying to bring on here, because it might be quite confusing, anyone knows what I mean??



I would like to know the meaning of dart as used in this conversation.

But as to your question about plural adjectives, strict English grammar rules do not allow plural adjectives. But everybody does it.

If someone produced a manual with rules for students, it might be called the students manual or the rules book. Now, we've just made plural adjectives. Many authorities would say this is incorrect. Calling it a student manual or a rule book would be best. The basis for this is that true adjectives, like pretty or red, cannot be made plural; so neither should nouns be made plural when they are used as adjectives.

+ + + + + + + + + +

"I would like you to take out the sheet I gave to you last week, I think it is worth taking a look AT."

This is the "never-end-a-sentence-with-a-preposition" rule that really has little value in standard English. In formal writing, yes. But the way to avoid placing at at the end of your sentence is to write gobbledygook like this:

I would like you to take out the sheet I gave to you last week, at which I think it is worth taking a look.

These two sentences are better:
I would like you to take out the sheet I gave to you last week. I think it is worth taking a look at it.

But the second sentence is clumsy (yet not incorrect).

The problem sentence, thought technically incorrect, is natural, and doesn't offend. Let's put a semicolon into it though to separate the clauses and check the run-on sentence:

I would like you to take out the sheet I gave to you last week; I think it is worth taking a look at.


This sentence is bad: Where is your car at?

Do you know why?

[Temico]

Hello everybody, please help

I heard this on telly last night, i wonder

A DART'S NIGHT

dart's is used as an adjective here, however, in my vague memory,
i remember me english teacher once saying that we don't add 'S in a word which is structured as an adjective in a sentense, so

dart's night

Has any one of you have knowledge on this??

And the other question is



Teacher : I would like you to take out the sheet I gave to you last week, I think it is worth taking a look AT.

Should we omit the " AT " at the end of the sentense???

Because the " IT " can refer to the whole action " taking out the sheet "

OR

just refer to the sheet itself,

if anyone of you understand what I mean ><..


Thanks in advance,

Best regards,

TOTO

"A DART'S NIGHT" is a mistake. It should be "DARTS NIGHT"( no apsotrophe ['s] )= "a night for playing the game of darts." The game of darts requires 3 darts and not 1 dart, hence the name "darts" e.g. "I going to play darts in the pub tonight."
quote:
COLCHESTER CHARITY DARTS NIGHT
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/sheila.handley/News_Page/COLCHESTER_CHARITY.htm

[toto1115]

But Temico , How about the rule of no plural forms of adjective mentioned above??? Thanks for your effort of finding out research to help me. ^^


"A DART'S NIGHT" is a mistake. It should be "DARTS NIGHT"( no apsotrophe ['s] )= "a night for playing the game of darts." The game of darts requires 3 darts and not 1 dart, hence the name "darts" e.g. "I going to play darts in the pub tonight."
quote:
COLCHESTER CHARITY DARTS NIGHT
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/sheila.handley/News_Page/COLCHESTER_CHARITY.htm

[Temico]

But Temico , How about the rule of no plural forms of adjective mentioned above??? Thanks for your effort of finding out research to help me. ^^

Darts - plural noun, usually treated as singular (quoted from the OED (Tenth Edition)

[danmahaffey]

Darts - plural noun, usually treated as singular (quoted from the OED (Tenth Edition)

Temico, thanks for the definition. It must be British. And its use as a plural adjective is right on.

[danmahaffey]

But the thing I want to ask it what the first ' IT ' refers to

does it refer to the sheet itself or does it refer to the whole ' Taking out the sheet ' action

I think if the first ' IT ' refer to the sheet,

then " It is worth looking at " would be apporiate here ( regardless of the wrongness of using preposition at the end of the sentence )
Yes, indeed, it refers to the sheet.

And the preposition at the end of the sentence is not an error in standard usage. My opinion is that to move it elsewhere, and torture the poor sentence in the process, is itself an error.