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Shinya Maki
04-09-2006, 10:20 PM
Hello everyone.

The following passage is from John hinds’ “Situation vs. Person focus”.

Similar examples come to mind. If you attend a dinner party in the USA, it is necessary to thank the host or hostess after you have eaten. If there were eight guests, each of them usually says something like the following:
"Oh, everything was delicious."
"Yes, I especially liked the soup."
"Mm, I think the vegetables were great."
"Oh, I've never had such good potatoes."
"And the fish was great."
"Where did you get the wine? It was delicious."
"Did you make the cake yourself? It was really good."
"This coffee really hits the spot."

The third sentence above goes , “…each of them usually says something …”, but I wonder if it should have been something like “…each of them might say something …” grammatically? Or is the original sentence acceptable as it is to native speakers of English?

Best regards,
Shinya Maki

danmahaffey
04-10-2006, 04:40 AM
Hello everyone.

The following passage is from John hinds’ “Situation vs. Person focus”.Similar examples come to mind. If you attend a dinner party in the USA, it is necessary to thank the host or hostess after you have eaten. If there were eight guests, each of them usually says something like the following:
"Oh, everything was delicious."
"Yes, I especially liked the soup."
"Mm, I think the vegetables were great."
"Oh, I've never had such good potatoes."
"And the fish was great."
"Where did you get the wine? It was delicious."
"Did you make the cake yourself? It was really good."
"This coffee really hits the spot."
The third sentence above goes , “…each of them usually says something …”, but I wonder if it should have been something like “…each of them might say something …” grammatically? Or is the original sentence acceptable as it is to native speakers of English?Present tense in English is our general purpose tense. In this situation it is narrating a hypothetical situation. You have pointed out one sentence where a different tense could be used, true, yet to do so there would require changes elsewhere to align a few tenses. Here's how:If you were to attend a dinner party in the USA, it might be necessary to thank the host or hostess after you have eaten. If there were eight guests, each of them usually might say something like the following:
I hope this helps.

danmahaffey
04-10-2006, 11:35 AM
Is that another one of your "lures", danmahaffey? Ha ha ha.................For those concerned about the structure of the subject sentence, here is the relevant part, highlighted.

...yet to do so there would require changes elsewhere...

Temico
04-10-2006, 11:51 AM
For those concerned about the structure of the subject sentence, here is the relevant part, highlighted.

...yet to do so there would require changes elsewhere...

Ha ha ha.... Here's the full complete "sentence" by "danmahaffey":-
"You have pointed out one sentence where a different tense could be used, true, yet to do so there would require changes elsewhere to align a few tenses."
Where is "there", danmahaffey? Or what does "where" refer to??

danmahaffey
04-10-2006, 12:05 PM
Ha ha ha.... Here's the full complete "sentence" by "danmahaffey":-
"You have pointed out one sentence where a different tense could be used, true, yet to do so there would require changes elsewhere to align a few tenses."
Where is "there", danmahaffey? Or what does "where" refer to??Shinya Maki wrote a question which included the following sentence:If there were eight guests, each of them usually says something like the following: [the red is his]
About this sentence he asked whether the verb says should have been something else.

My reply referred to his sentence as one where a difference tense could be used. I went on to say that if he used a different tense there, he should use different tenses elsewhere, meaning other places in the other sentences as I indicated, also.

I hope this clears up the confusion for you.

Temico
04-11-2006, 03:45 AM
Shinya Maki wrote a question which included the following sentence:If there were eight guests, each of them usually says something like the following: [the red is his]



About this sentence he asked whether the verb says should have been something else.

My reply referred to his sentence as one where a difference tense could be used. I went on to say that if he used a different tense there, he should use different tenses elsewhere, meaning other places in the other sentences as I indicated, also.
grammatically correct
I hope this clears up the confusion for you.
I ask you and everybody else here, "Is the following sentence grammatically correct and does it make sense?"

"You have pointed out one sentence where a different tense could be used, true, yet to do so there would require changes elsewhere to align a few tenses."

( BTW, deleting my posts isn't going to make the mistake go away, it's only going to accentuate the favouritism and hypocrisy that is apparent in this forum!)

danmahaffey
04-11-2006, 06:35 AM
I ask you and everybody else here, "Is the following sentence grammatically correct and does it make sense?"

"You have pointed out one sentence where a different tense could be used, true, yet to do so there would require changes elsewhere to align a few tenses."

( BTW, deleting my posts isn't going to make the mistake go away, it's only going to accentuate the favouritism and hypocrisy that is apparent in this forum!)Temico, I know this sentence troubles you.You have pointed out one sentence where a different tense could be used, true, yet to do so there would require changes elsewhere to align a few tenses.
Rewrite the sentence as thisYou have pointed out one sentence in which a different tense could be used, true, yet to do so in that sentence would require changes in other sentences to align a few tenses.
I hope this helps.

Temico
04-12-2006, 06:06 AM
Temico, I know this sentence troubles you.You have pointed out one sentence where a different tense could be used, true, yet to do so there would require changes elsewhere to align a few tenses.

Rewrite the sentence as thisYou have pointed out one sentence in which a different tense could be used, true, yet to do so in that sentence would require changes in other sentences to align a few tenses.

I hope this helps.
No matter how you try to conceal your mistake by rewriting it, your sentence is still incorrect and makes no sense!

Now read and compare your sentence with the following one:-
"You have pointed out one sentence where a different tense could be used, true, yet to do so, changes would be required elsewhere in the sentence to align a few tenses."

Is it really that difficult for native speakers to admit their mistakes, may I ask?

daya
04-12-2006, 06:53 AM
No matter how you try to conceal your mistake by rewriting it, your sentence is still incorrect and makes no sense! Is it really that difficult for native speakers to admit their mistakes, may I ask?Temico you make arguments even when the moderators give you a warning that you must stop. You look for errors where there are no errors. You always want to make an argument. Your post reveals your true desire. Everywhere you go you display your hatred of native speakers and Americans. For years you are joining English teaching websites for this exact reason. You make some posts to answer questions but always you begin to show your hatred.

We see the racist comments you make on this website. We see the extreme disgusting foul language and the total hate for many other nations and their people you display on public websites as China Daily and Asiawinds. Even the websites for those you call your own people ban you because they do not tolerate your hatred. Your life is going to one website after another to look for a chance to attack people from nations you hate. This is obvious to all. No one is paying attention to what you write. It is negativity and boring. You make yourself the fool when you post such things. Your hatred has no place here.

danmahaffey
04-12-2006, 06:56 AM
No matter how you try to conceal your mistake by rewriting it, your sentence is still incorrect and makes no sense!

Now read and compare your sentence with the following one:-
"You have pointed out one sentence where a different tense could be used, true, yet to do so, changes would be required elsewhere in the sentence to align a few tenses."

Is it really that difficult for native speakers to admit their mistakes, may I ask?Temico, your rewritten sentence is fine.

I'm sorry the sentence I wrote is too difficult for you to understand. It is not a mistake.



There may be someone reading this thread who still wonders about the sentence. The troublesome word to Temico is the word there. Here is the original sentence.You have pointed out one sentence where a different tense could be used, true, yet to do so there would require changes elsewhere to align a few tenses.
The word there means in that one sentence. So the sentence should be interpreted this way:You have pointed out one sentence where a different tense could be used, true, yet to do so in that one sentence would require changes elsewhere to align a few tenses.
Accordingly, the subject of would require is the infinitive phrase to do so there. It can't be simpler.

Temico
04-12-2006, 07:21 AM
Temico, your rewritten sentence is fine.

I'm sorry the sentence I wrote is too difficult for you to understand. It is not a mistake.




There may be someone reading this thread who still wonders about the sentence. The troublesome word to Temico is the word there. Here is the original sentence.You have pointed out one sentence where a different tense could be used, true, yet to do so there would require changes elsewhere to align a few tenses.

The word there means in that one sentence. So the sentence should be interpreted this way:You have pointed out one sentence where a different tense could be used, true, yet to do so in that one sentence would require changes elsewhere to align a few tenses.

Accordingly, the subject of would require is the infinitive phrase to do so there. It can't be simpler.

To illustrate a point, alllow me to make some slight changes your sentence. e.g.

"You have pointed out one house where a different heater could be used, true, yet to do so there would require changes elsewhere to connect a few rooms."

Tell me please, in the above sentence, is it appropriate to use "there" to refer to "house"??

daya
04-12-2006, 07:31 AM
Temico[/b]]No matter how you try to conceal your mistake by rewriting it, your sentence is still incorrect and makes no sense! Is it really that difficult for native speakers to admit their mistakes, may I ask?
Danmahaffey we do not wish to show any disrespect for your excellent example but we think it is the point that Temico does not care anything at all for what is correct. He will be making the argument that you are wrong in anything you write. He is always talking of native speakers with hate. His greatest pleasure is to start a debate with a native speaker. He does not respect the students who ask the questions. He does not respect the moderators. He is a selfish man so full of hate that he will continue to attack native speakers until he is forced to leave. This he has shown to be his habit in one website to another for many years. If he did not change in this time he will not change now.

Please understand that we do not wish to correct you. We appreciate your help. It is very valuable to us. We do not like to see this excellent website suffer the hatred of Temico. It is very unhappy to see a selfish angry man take away the happiness of others.

Respectfully,

Daya, Anton, Berger and Soni

danmahaffey
04-12-2006, 08:14 AM
To illustrate a point, alllow me to make some slight changes your sentence. e.g.

"You have pointed out one house where a different heater could be used, true, yet to do so there would require changes elsewhere to connect a few rooms."

Tell me please, in the above sentence, is it appropriate to use "there" to refer to "house"??Certainly, but make house into room for a true parallel. "You have pointed out one room where a different heater could be used, true, yet to do so there would require changes elsewhere to connect a few rooms."